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IRC Log for 2009-10-22

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[9:12] <davidray2> Question for everyone:
[9:13] <davidray2> My market is not the most tech savvy group and I use the typical self-registration method: sign up, get an email with a link, clicky the link, set your password, you have access.
[9:14] <davidray2> Do you think that sign up method deters non-geek users? Do you think it would be better to just skip the email and have a capcha instead?
[9:15] <davidray2> Here's the problem I'm trying to solve:
[9:15] <davidray2> I have practically 100% conversion rate on trial customers that log in to TroopTrack more than once.
[9:15] <davidray2> But about 60% of my users only ever log on once
[9:16] <davidray2> So I'm trying to eliminate instant hassles for first time users.
[9:16] <davidray2> Anyone have an opinion?
[9:36] <szselim> Hmm. I really dig the simplest signup form that is possible. Email address, two password fields, a captcha, and done.
[9:37] <davidray2> That's kind of how I'm leaning too
[9:37] <szselim> (Where email address = user name...)
[9:37] <szselim> I am probably not anyone's "typical user", but I have been known to avoid signing up for services that require more information than that.
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[11:05] <dsp> davidray: what purpose would a captcha serve?
[11:05] <davidray> Just make sure they'
[11:05] <davidray> re not posers
[11:06] <dsp> worry about a captcha when you have your first bot
[11:07] <davidray> Um... my server gets hits by a hundred bots a day
[11:07] <davidray> Not registration bots yet though, which is I suppose your point
[11:08] <dsp> right, no one is automatically creating accounts on your site and spamming with them
[11:08] <davidray> yup
[11:09] <davidray> So you're saying just skip the bot and make it even easier to register
[11:09] <davidray> erk bot = capcha
[11:09] <dsp> and if you do ever have that problem add the captcha or similar when they go do something that could be abused, like send their first bulk email
[11:09] <dsp> yes, if all you need is an email/passwd, ask for that and let them in
[11:10] <dsp> i'm assuming email and username are the same
[11:10] <davidray> yes, for now.
[11:11] <davidray> But I am probably going to have to switch to a user name that is separate because some of my users are kids and share their parent's emails
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[13:03] <jqr> Is this what it takes to make hackfests popular? http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16570
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[13:09] <waz> miles can do the lapdances
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[14:02] <szselim> jqr: By the way, you're a badass. I like to picture this guy running scared from you, gaining on him in your socks.
[14:03] <szselim> davidray: I didn't think about the sharing email addresses thing. Interesting.
[14:03] <davidray> Yeah, it's kind of a pain.
[14:04] <szselim> Incidentally, my kid (kids?) is (are?) getting his (or her?) own email address as soon as a name is chosen.
[14:04] <davidray> Yeah, mine have em too, but we also have pretty tight parental controls
[14:04] <szselim> I also plan to reply to emails in their name. Actually, I might go home and make a baby right now. This sounds like fun.
[14:05] <davidray> Well, it is fun... or are you talking about making a baby EMAIL... ?
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[15:09] <szselim> Both the email and the baby makin'
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[16:18] <baldwindavid> jqr: has Jose Valim's auth_helpers gem folded into the Devise gem?
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[16:47] <jqr> hahaha
[16:47] <jqr> baldwindavid: shrug I just started following it.
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