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IRC Log for 2009-10-29

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[10:59] <baldwindavid> anyone know a terminal command to view the full zone record for a domain? dig isn't doing it for me
[11:33] <baldwindavid> ah...so zone file transfers are commonly denied, otherwise something like this would work... dig @ns.whatever.com domaininquestion.com axfr
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[14:07] <mileszs> AAAAAaaa the last thing I want to do is write a SOAP request in PHP to get UPS Freight information. THE LAST THING.
[14:33] <baldwindavid> mileszs: I doubt this would apply here, but for a few clients with existing PHP sites that wanted robust stuff, I've created tiny Rails apps as a subdomain and release on Heroku
[14:50] <mileszs> There is definitely a possibility that doing something like that would be more enjoyable, but I'm not sure it would be the best use of my time. :-)
[14:50] <mileszs> However, the more I try to understand what the fuck I'm supposed to send to UPS to get back the one fucking number I want, the more I want to choke a kitten.
[14:51] <baldwindavid> I'm not a cat person so I'm not sure what you mean
[14:51] <baldwindavid> hehe
[14:53] <mileszs> I hate cats, so it's not really that much of a stretch.
[14:53] <mileszs> Kittens are cute, though, as long as they are someone else's kitten in someone else's house.
[15:00] <baldwindavid> yeah, I don't mind kittens, but would like them more if they grew up to be dogs or trees
[15:55] <mileszs> That would be awesome! I want a kitten that grows into a tree!
[15:55] <joelmeador> Maybe a kitten that grows into a robotic cat that doesn't poop
[16:05] <baldwindavid> taking the plunge into yet another authentication framework...devise (http://github.com/plataformatec/devise/) - Authlogic / Clearance were so yesterday!
[16:21] <unixmonkey> Is it just being funny calling the salt 'pepper'? or is pepper some other concept I've not heard of yet?
[16:22] <baldwindavid> I was looking at that moments ago - I ended up setting my :pepper to "salt" - crap, I just dropped the security level on my app
[16:25] <baldwindavid> ...but I think they might be using pepper instead of salt because encrypted_salt is being used in the database already, whereas this is a different salt to generate the encrypted password
[16:25] <baldwindavid> ...or I might be way off
[16:26] <unixmonkey> hm. Pepper: encryption key for creating encrypted pw, each time pw changes, its encrypted again, this ke is added to the password and salt to create a secure hash"
[16:28] <baldwindavid> is that from the source?
[16:28] <unixmonkey> ya: lib/devise/models/authenticatable.rb - typos mine
[16:33] <unixmonkey> looks like the salt is randomly generated, so the pepper is an extra systemwide salt value mixed in the digest
[16:49] <mileszs> Oh, good. So it's like seasoned salt.
[16:50] <mileszs> So, I'm making one with garlic salt. ... Garlic Sea Salt. Kosher Garlic Sea Salt.
[16:58] <unixmonkey> I'm fond of cajun rub
[17:00] <baldwindavid> Is that a double entendre?
[17:14] <mileszs> hahaha
[17:14] <mileszs> I'm fond of creamy white sauce.
[17:14] <mileszs> Wait. No.
[17:15] <mileszs> DISREGARD THE PREVIOUS MESSAGES.
[17:16] <baldwindavid> And you're getting logged.
[17:16] <baldwindavid> ...which could also be a double entendre
[17:17] <mileszs> hahaha
[17:17] <mileszs> This is the most like an open IRC channel this channel has ever been.
[17:18] <baldwindavid> This is like the only IRC channel I've been on
[17:19] <baldwindavid> for the record: Devise is pretty awesome
[17:23] <mileszs> baldwindavid: Just read bash.org to get an idea of what it's like "in the wild".
[17:31] <baldwindavid> ha! Wow, that looks like something I could waste a lot of time on - the top 100 is unreal
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